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    Sirius' Arrest

    So I know that it completely looked like Sirius murdered Peter and he was a Death Eater. But this has always bothered me... Why didn't they check his arm for a Dark Mark? Are they only visible when Voldemort is strong, because I remember in GoF Snape talking about the mark getting darker. If that is the case, I get why they didn't check. But if not, wouldn't that have been the easiest way to figure out if he was truly a Death Eater? On another note, if Peter did get a Dark Mark while being a spy, he did a good job of hiding it from his friends.

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    Well, not everyone working for Voldemort has a Dark Mark; Fenrir Greyback doesn't, and I don't think that Voldemort would insist that every person who entered his service would have one. He's not stupid; he'd know that branding a spy would blow his cover as soon as someone glimpsed his arm, and I'm sure the Ministry would know that too, thus the absence of a Dark Mark on Sirius wouldn't have proved his innocence.

    I highly doubt that Peter would have had his Dark Mark while working as a spy, but rather he got his later when Voldemort returned in GoF.

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    Also, it seems like the Mark may have been somewhat of an honor - can't it be used to summon Voldemort himself? So, he would only want his closets and most important DEs to have it.

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    Not everyone knew about the Dark Marks. Sirius had no idea what Harry was talking about when he told him about Snape and Karkarovs conversation. No one was going to publicise the fact that they were a DE before Voldemort had truly gained power. Snape shows his Mark to Fudge who visibly flinches; he comes across as ignorant of the branding.

    My own feeling is that the Dark Marks could well have been invisible unless Voldemort required them to be visible, or make them burn. I can't see Death Eaters wearing long sleeves all the time, and it would be so easy to see the mark on someone's arm.

    With Sirius, he didn't deny anything. He was unhinged for a long while and didn't get a trial. There would have been no need to check, even if they had known about the marks.

    Peter may have got the Dark Mark later - perhaps when he handed over the information about James and Lily.

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    But many people insisted that Sirius was one of Voldemort's most important servants, and some said he was Voldemort's right-hand man. Dunno why they didn't check for the mark. Perhaps the murder was just so obvious--after all, he was right in the middle of it, in broad daylight.

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    I'm pretty sure he was arrested at the scene of the crime as well, where all the so-called evidence was, so that was probably enough for the Ministry.
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    Yeah, I've just always kind of wondered. I mean a lot of people were arrested without a trial and stuff. And there was just so much evidence against Sirius. But then again, they live in a world with magic where someone could make themselves easily disappear like Peter did. They were relying on Muggle's accounts who had no idea about what magic can do to fake your own death. I guess it's easy to think this way when you know the truth...

    Sirius had no idea what Harry was talking about when he told him about Snape and Karkarovs conversation.
    I have a feeling Sirius may have known that people were branded with Dark Marks. He did spend 13 years in Azkaban along with Death Eaters. If he didn't know what Harry was talking about it was probably more due to the fact Harry had no clue what the conversation was about and didn't know how to describe what happened. Also, I think Aurors would know what a Dark Mark is, just from arresting Death Eaters.

    I can't see Death Eaters wearing long sleeves all the time, and it would be so easy to see the mark on someone's arm.
    I kind of always pictured Death Eaters always wearing robes, which I can't picture without long sleeves. I see them as the type of people who hate to dress like Muggles. But that's just me.

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    I don't know how he knew, I just always got the impression Sirius knew about the Dark Mark. And I guess this question applies to any other innocent person arrested for being a DE, not just Sirius. But you're right, the DE must have ways of disguising their marks otherwise they could not be spies.

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    If he didn't know what Harry was talking about it was probably more due to the fact Harry had no clue what the conversation was about and didn't know how to describe what happened.
    No Harry says quite clearly that Karkarof showed Snape something on his arm. Sirius is totally bewildered. he knows Karkarof was a DE, he suspects that Snape was. He doesn't click that there's a Dark Mark because he doesn't know about them.

    The sleeves thing - yeah, I didn't mean that they'd wear T shirts, but robes seem to have long flapping sleeves and when you're making potions or something, you'd roll up your sleeve. Snape's Dark Mark is never seen until he shows it to Fudge.

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    I have a feeling Sirius may have known that people were branded with Dark Marks. He did spend 13 years in Azkaban along with Death Eaters.
    Sorry, this is slightly off topic.

    Why would that make him know abotu Dark Marks? I never got the feeling that Azkaban was the kind of place where you get to socialise a lot. He'd be locked up in a cell – that's part of the whole "going mad" process. So he wouldn't actually meet any DEs, I think. What he reports of knowing about others is always stuff they said in their sleep. So I wouldn't say that he would have known – nor that anyone else necessarily knew at this point. Dumbledore probably did, from Snape, but why would the others know? I too believe that the DEs had ways of concealing the Dark Mark. It might have been very inconvenient otherwise, especially for Ministry workers that were spies for the dark side, etc.

    Also, consider the time. You have someone like Barty Crouch in power, who is just throwing people into Azkaban left right and centre, and a public that (at this point still) supports him. No one would have asked twice. Dumbledore might have fought for Sirius and asked for a proper inquest, but he believed that Sirius actually did betray the Potters. Same with Remus, and probably all his old friends. He had no one on his side, no one to ask for a proper trial, the whole wizarding community against him – a thing like a missing tattoo wouldn't have stopped them. Even if someone had noticed it, they would have found a hundred reasons to explain why Sirius didn't have the Dark Mark – he was a spy, so couldn't have one for the sake of secrecy, he was too young, he just hadn't received it yet...

    Can't you just picture Crouch telling the Daily Prophet "I don't know nor care why Black isn't branded with the Dark Mark. The fact of the matter is that there is overwhelming evidence against him. Several witnesses have spoken, and the case is absolutely clear to us. There will be no further comment on the subject."
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