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  1. #41
    Heather25x
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmerg_The_Impaler
    And Darcy goes, WELL, I GUESS SHES BETTER THAN THAT PILE-OF-POO-FACED CHICK OVER THERE NEXT TO HER, BUT, ER, ID STILL RATHER STICK FORKS IN MY EYES IF ITS ALL THE SAME TO YOU. BY THE WAY, YOUR GIRLFRIEND SMILES TOO MUCH..
    I think perhaps in that context, something like "this is terrible/awful" would be more fitting? And in my experience, it's not mainly working-class people who use "sucks". I have a mixture of friends, working class and "upper" class, and it's actually the upper class people who tend to use it more. The same people who use "awesome", so i think it's generally, like Lord Great Chamberlain said, people who have decided to use a few Americanisms. I'm not working class, but i've used "sucks" a few times in my life when it fits better than anything else.

    And as for Chick. Guys very very rarely use it anymore. But girls might use it to describe each other, i think mostly in a context like the one you've written, Schmergo, when insulting another girl. "Look at that what she's wearing. I swear, that chick needs some dress-sense" or something.

    But i honestly think "sucks" has nothing to do with what class a person is in, but the environment they live in.


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  2. #42
    Shev
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heather25x
    And as for Chick. Guys very very rarely use it anymore. But girls might use it to describe each other, i think mostly in a context like the one you've written, Schmergo, when insulting another girl. "Look at that what she's wearing. I swear, that chick needs some dress-sense" or something.
    Honestly, guys do use the word chick regularly. I am one; I know. We refer to you as chicks quite often. Don't get offended ladies, it's not derogatory in any way. We wouldn't tend to use it directly to a girl, any more than I would call one of my friends a guy when I was actually talking to him. Yes, I'd be going out with the guys, but I wouldn't go up to my friend and say "Hey guy." They are descriptive words that would generally be used when the person we're speaking about isn't present.

  3. #43
    Horsesbella219
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    Bonjour!

    I need some ways for a mother-figure to adress a small child. In my fic, i have this orphan, Ara, who was adopted by Mrs Black. There is a portrait in her room, that is acting like a sort of carer for Ara in the night. Ara is 4. I need some ways for the portrait to adress Ara.

    I've already used dear and dearie, but i really need some more.

    Any ideas?

  4. #44
    Sirius Girl 08
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    You could maybe use 'sweetheart', 'darling', 'sweetums', 'poppet'...can't think of any more at the moment! But 'dear' and 'dearie' are good too.

    Ruth

  5. #45
    Horsesbella219
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    Thats really useful thank you! I shouldnt need any more than that....Just enough so i'm not constantly repeating myself.

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    What type of alcohol is drunk by the middle and lower stratas of society? (i.e, whisky, rum, etc) What type of alcohol would be drunk by people in higher areas of society, like the Malfoys?

    Do you call alcohol by its brand name or by its type (i.e Guinness vs beer, or whatever) If you call it by its name, what are the names of some brands of alcohol which are drunk by 1) The lower and middle people of the society and 2) the higher people of the society?

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  7. #47
    AurorKeefy
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    Right, the master of alcohol has just entered the arena...

    Generally speaking; and we're talking about reality here rather than what is appropriate necessarily for your fiction, type is less important than quality. For example, a father and/or mother in a ridiculously poor family may drink whiskey - but it's likely to the own brand version from the cheapest local supermarket. On the other hand, the extremely posh family may drink the same amount, but it will be a specialist type that costs several times as much (at least) as the previous family's drink.

    Second point: I, and this is largely a personal thing, strongly dislike product placement within fanfiction, so to that length I would survive off "the local supermarket whiskey" and "Trual Ken" Whiskey (made up - quickly and badly in this instance). I'm not sure that this is indicative of the general English population's feeling to product placement, and certainly to names of brands ("Famous Grouse" (whiskey) is just that, we don't call it a reputable brand of whiskey for example).

    Guinness is the one true exception, because almost across the british isles it's popularity has made it the only real brand of Stout. There are a few others, but unless you were going to deliberate lengths otherwise, your characters would talk about Guinness.

    Now, to the stereotypes!

    Upper Class: Congnac (prn. Cong-yack [at least in my locale!]), Dom Perignon Champagne.
    Middle Class: Good brands/vintages of wine.
    Working/Underclass: Lager, Bitter (rurally) [both are types of beer],
    Homeless: White Cider, (Drink made supposedly from apples)

    Now, of course these are all gross stereotypes, both by class and by the drinks involved. There are hideously expensive ciders that only the middle/upper classes would pay for, and equally their are poorer versions of congnac that a Middle/Working class person would own a bottle of, though neither are likely to drink it often (The former to increase said bottle's "poseability", the latter through cost).

    In reality, you want to use a few of the following terms....

    Upmarket/Extremely Classy/High Class...whatever. = Upper
    Middle - easiest (from Harry's world) to treat as standard, unless it is a special occaision. = middle
    Own brand, discount, low priced. (Unless it is a special occaision, in which case they are willing to spend just as much, if not more, than the middle classes) = working

    Hopefully I will have given your a grounding for your fiction here, and really that is all you need. However, if you need any additional support (either straight off or because you can't find it here - I won't be remotely offended in either case), then please pm me and/or submit further questions here. The only thing I will not do, and I know you asked for this, is detail brand names. On a person and philosophical level I'm against that, though you should do and use whatever makes you happiest with your fiction!

    Best of Luck, and hope this helps!

  8. #48
    Shev
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    Out of deference to AurorKeefy, I wont be posting a list, but most spirits are also referred to by brand. While vodka and whiskey tend to be asked for as such, most other spirits generally sold in pubs are usually ordered as a brand.

    Some other drinks to add to the list already given are spirit & mixer and alcopops. These tend to be drunk by a fairly wide range, though most of the upper class would disdain them.

  9. #49
    Lord Great Chamberlain
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    Quote Originally Posted by AurorKeefy
    and certainly to names of brands ("Famous Grouse" (whiskey) is just that, we don't call it a reputable brand of whiskey for example).
    As someone who drinks way too much alcohol than is healthy (I'm an English university student, it's in the rules), I have to point out that Famous Grouse is a whisky not a whiskey.

    There is a spelling difference for a reason.

    Famous Grouse is a Scotch not Irish whiskey.

    Upper Class: Congnac (prn. Cong-yack [at least in my locale!])
    The spelling is Cognac - after the town in France - they're particularly proud of their brandy heritage.

    I don't think there's a need to place products within fan fiction unless absolutely necessary. Maybe using the descriptions of a product, sure, but naming it is just not necessary with the exception of something that is a major part of a country's heritage, like Guinness, Cognac, Champagne and so on.

  10. #50
    AurorKeefy
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    The spelling is Cognac
    That's what I thought initially, but I wasn't certain so I typed it into google, which promptly asked me if I meant "Congnac". I supposed I was mistaken, and went with that, though I'd feel happier dropping that mystery n if you think so too!

    I was, on the other hand, completely unaware that Whiskey denoted Irish, and Whisky Scotch. I thought that everything was Whisky (the e was, ironically given that I didn't know any better, a spelling mistake/typo) and the prefix of Irish/Scotch was the only way they were distinguished.

    I apologize for my mistakes, and blame it on the fact that I was, appropriately enough, completely smashed when I wrote that!

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