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  1. #1
    Schmerg_The_Impaler
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    Lucius Malfoy

    I'm writing a story right now, and Lucius has a small but important part in it. (I don't want to give away too much, but he is impersonated by someone from the light side.) In any case, I don't know how to write him as a father to Draco, or as a person in general.

    I've been too influenced by Makani's artwork (she's a huge Lucius fan and converted me), where Lucius and Narcissa are depicted as being very romantic toward each other. I've also been too influenced by many fanfictions where he is depicted as a terrible father to Draco who tries to force his son to be something he's not.

    Another problem with Lucius is his additude toward the dark side. Does he really believe that what he's doing is the right thing (making him a psychopath), or is he aware that what he's doing is evil and wrong, but doesn't care? (Making him a sociopath.) I think he might believe that what he's doing is the right thing, that muggles really do deserve to die, but he made such a big deal of telling Fudge and the others that he was not a 'dark wizard' that it's obvious he knows that the Death Eaters are evil.

    This is weird, too, but does Lucius have short or long hair? It never mentions the length of his hair in the books, but it does say he resembles his son. His hair is long in the films, and I can't imagine it any other way, but I've seen it depicted as short in fan art.

    In short, Lucius is an enigmatic character, and we don't know much about him, other than the obvious. Does anyone have any suggestions for writing Lucius?

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    Mistletoe
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    My personal opinion on Lucius is that he doesn't put being a Death Eater first. He doesn't loudly proclaim that he is loyal to the Dark Lord (*ahem* Bellatrix), he definitely puts himself first, a true Slytherin. As for knowing or not knowing what he is doing is wrong? I think he knows it's cruel to murder Muggles, but that's how he was raised. He is a true pureblood, as well. I don't think he really cares, because for a while there, he was playing the game for the highest ranked of both sides. He knew what he was doing, until it came back and slapped him in the face.

    But in some areas it appears that Lucius is unaware that what he is doing is wrong. It seems that he reacts on a whim. Doesn't think before his actions (think when he gave Ginny the diary). And when he was at the DoM. He didn't think that he would be turned over to Azkaban had he been caught, he did what he wanted. He never thought that it would reveal him as a true Death Eater.

    And for how he treats Draco, I think he pushes him to be something he's not. Pushes him to be on the Dark side. It's only natural because that's how Lucius was raised. Narcissa is the woman, therefore she must keep quite to Lucius, or if she does speak up, Lucius ignores her. Lucius is very aware of how Draco treats other. Remember the Quidditch World Cup when he reprimands him for speaking down on the Weasleys? Excpet he did say that he shoudn't even be speaking to blood traitors at all, but he was very swift about what he said. His son, not so much. Lucius wants the power, and to make himself look as good as possible (not physically, of course).

    I would think that they married out of obligation. There might have been the basis of lust, possibly love, but I doubt someone as cruel as Lucius could deeply love someone. HE could definitely love, but he wouldn't completely give himself to that person.

    Hope I helped!

    5 points to Slytherin

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    Starmaiden
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    My idea for canon characters with small parts is that whatever you choose to do is fine as long as it fits with canon. For you, I'd suggest picking a personality that goes with your plot. It's a weird way to characterize someone, but it should work.

    To actually answer your questions, or attempt to:

    Lucius + Narcissa = ? I think you take a number of directions here. They could be in love; Narcissa could love him and he not return it (but not, I think, the other way around).
    I think that Narcissa feels more for Lucius than he does for her. I agree with Mistletoe about Obligation and Duty. It seems to me that that is a theme in the Pureblood world, a rather Victorian view of what "should be." I believe that Lucius married Narcissa for 1) her family name and influence; 2) her looks; 3) her capacity for being controlled. Not love. I don't know if he's capable of love; I don't think so. He has shown no sign of it. He might be fond of her in the way one is fond of a pretty songbird.

    And Draco. Lucius embarrasses him in public, before Mudbloods and traitors, in Flourish and Blotts. Not the sign of a loving father, or even the sign of one whose Duty stops him from airing his dirty laundry. I suppose he thought it was a small enough comment that it would be fine; he has enough money to buy a lot of influence.

    Is he forcing Draco to be something he isn't? I think he's pushing him towards it, but he's not forcing him -- only because Draco went along with it. If Draco didn't, I think Lucius might take more drastic measures. Remember that Bellatrix said that Draco seemed excited about his task (killing Dumbledore). I'd say his father encouraged him, nudged him, but didn't have to push him. The potential for Draco to become like his father is already very strong.
    I think he might believe that what he's doing is the right thing, that muggles really do deserve to die, but he made such a big deal of telling Fudge and the others that he was not a 'dark wizard' that it's obvious he knows that the Death Eaters are evil.
    Actually, I think he proclaimed himself not a Dark wizard because he knew he'd get in trouble for it. Again, I agree with Mistletoe -- he's an ambitious Slytherin, first and foremost. He goes for whoever can make him stronger, and I bet if Voldemort ever weakened, Lucius would rush into to take his place. He came back to the Light because the Dark was in disarray. He returned to the graveyard in GoF because the Dark Lord was on his way up again.

    I think in place of morals, Lucius has old-fashioned Duty. Muggles? Inferior. I wouldn't say he thinks they deserve to die, as Bellatrix does, but he likes torturing them and playing with them. He considers them animals, not people, so it's not a crime to hurt them. It's like living near deer: if they get in your garden, you can shoot them. If you want, you can hunt or torture them. If you want, you can leave them alone. They're not people, what's the problem?
    This is weird, too, but does Lucius have short or long hair? It never mentions the length of his hair in the books, but it does say he resembles his son. His hair is long in the films, and I can't imagine it any other way, but I've seen it depicted as short in fan art.
    Whatever you want. I think the resemblance between him and Draco is in their colouring, not hair length. After all, Draco's hair changes in every movie.
    In short, Lucius is an enigmatic character, and we don't know much about him, other than the obvious. Does anyone have any suggestions for writing Lucius?
    Only one other canon fact: Remember that he uses bribes. He has a lot of influence over Fudge through charitable donations to St. Mungo's and the like (if he gives to charity, he can't be evil, right?). And Fudge treated the Malfoys to box seats at the Quidditch Cup.

    5 points to Ravenclaw

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    Schmerg_The_Impaler
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    Wow, those were really helpful!

    I especially like the idea of Narcissa loving Lucius and Lucius sort of thinking of his family as an accessory... that should be interesting in the story.

    I don't know why, but oddly, I've really liked the character of Lucius. He's so unsavoury... and it helps that Jason Isaacs, the actor from the film, is one of the few film actors who really gets the character spot-on.

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    Suga
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    Let me start with saying, I think the films have given a bad characterisation of Lucius, they've portrayed him as a bit of a child abuser *snorts* and the long hair and cane make him look like a... Well lets not go down that road.
    So let me give you my ideas on the character of Lucius, feel free to use any of them.

    I think Lucius is very much a Slytherin, he does everything for a reason and makes things work to his advantage. For instance being a Death Eater, I don't see him ever being faithful enough to admit openly to anyone that he is fighting for the dark side, he's more of a dark horse. He likes to be in with both sides, convince Voldemort that he's a true supporter, yet all the time trying to kid the ministry and the like that he's ever the good samariton, donating money to the poor, being involved with the school etc. He knows that this way, whoever wins in the end, whoever gains the power he can be part of it.
    Of course I am talking preOOTP, although I imagine he is still pleading his innocence.

    I don't like the image that is sometimes portrayed as him being a bit of a wife/child beater. I like to think that Narcissa is the stronger one in the relationship, any physical fights which may occur she's not afraid to fight back. I always see it as a bit of a love/hate relationship. If they arn't tearing each others throats out, they're being very passionate towards each other.

    When it comes to Draco I think his father has tried to bring him up to be too much like himself and its backfired, Draco is too determined to follow in his fathers footsteps and perhaps this scares Lucius, afterall he knows the risks of working alongside the Dark Lord.
    I like to think that Draco and Lucius have a very close relationship, afterall Draco always seems to know everything thats going on, hs father seems to tell him an awful lot. If he were really the abused and hated child that is often portrayed, would he really know that much about the goings on?

    5 points to Slytherin

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    Mistletoe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suga
    For instance being a Death Eater, I don't see him ever being faithful enough to admit openly to anyone that he is fighting for the dark side, he's more of a dark horse.
    I very much agree. He would never do something to jeopordize his position. He thought the DoM would end smoothly, Harry would go alone, smick, smack. Job Done. Oh, he was wrong, foolishly wrong. He is rather liek Slughorn in a sense (don't slap me!) just because they both do what they can to benefit themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Suga
    He likes to be in with both sides, convince Voldemort that he's a true supporter, yet all the time trying to kid the ministry and the like that he's ever the good samariton, donating money to the poor, being involved with the school etc
    I actually think Malfoy is truly a supporter of Voldemort. The only man stupid enough to ever think that Malfoy was innocent was Fudge, who was rather, er, stupid. Yes. And Voldemort would know if he wasn't a true supporter. Malfoy definitely supports Voldemort, with cleansing of blood and whatnot. Everyone knew Malfoy was a Death Eater. Fudge was just, well, stupid.

    Quote Originally Posted by Suga
    Of course I am talking preOOTP, although I imagine he is still pleading his innocence.
    I can see him saying he'd been Imperiused. Honestly, anything to get him out of trouble, he'd do. Sneaky, sneaky man. Wonder if anyone would believe he'd been Imperiused though? Doubtful.

    As for their relationship, I agree with Starmaiden. She loves him more, and his family is but an accesory of power. All pureblood (obviously), and he knows what to do with them. Think of how he controls Draco in public? I can see Lucius being a good father, yes, but pushing and pushing his ideas into Draco's head until he has none of his own.

    5 points to Slytherin

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    Schmerg_The_Impaler
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    Wonder if anyone would believe he'd been Imperiused though? Doubtful.
    Actually, that was his story after Voldemort was defeated, "Oh, I was never really evil, I was under the Imperius curse!" (Go to this link for a representation of that IN ART! http://acciobrain.ligermagic.com/hpmalfoysgood.jpg)

    So, basically, Lucius is either pure evil and abuses his family, or else he's just powerhungry and has a good relationship with his family. That really clears things up!

    But really, it's funny how the Malfoys have all been portrayed lots of different ways in various fanfictions, especially Draco. The only other characters that's written with such versatility is probably Snape-- everything from pure evil to misunderstood.

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    mecredi
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    Does he really believe that what he's doing is the right thing (making him a psychopath),

    I think he believes that he is doing the “right” thing. But by right, I don’t mean the moral thing. I think Lucius is the kind of person that just threw morality out the window and decided to do everything out of self-interest. I don’t think it makes him evil; I think he made choices. (I’m trying not to turn this into a philosophical debate.) I think for him, that makes him making “evil” choices, but he isn’t necessarily an all-around horrible person.

    or is he aware that what he's doing is evil and wrong, but doesn't care? (Making him a sociopath.)

    I think he is definitely aware that what he is doing is wrong, so he is definitely selfish, but I don’t think he is a sociopath.

    But in some areas it appears that Lucius is unaware that what he is doing is wrong. It seems that he reacts on a whim. Doesn't think before his actions (think when he gave Ginny the diary).

    I think he is aware of that some people would consider what he is doing is wrong, but he disagrees. I think he truly believes that purebloods are better, and those that consort with muggles and muggle-borns are ‘dirty.’ So, I think he just considered Ginny’s possible death completely acceptable. That probably makes him quite cruel and egotistical.


    I think he might believe that what he's doing is the right thing, that muggles really do deserve to die, but he made such a big deal of telling Fudge and the others that he was not a 'dark wizard' that it's obvious he knows that the Death Eaters are evil.

    I agree with the first statement, but I think that he was pretending for Fudge in order to not be thrown in Azkaban.

    And for how he treats Draco, I think he pushes him to be something he's not. Pushes him to be on the Dark side. It's only natural because that's how Lucius was raised.

    I completely agree that Draco has been pushed by his father in to the life he leads in HBP. It may be because Lucius wants to protect his son. As he is a Death Eater, he probably believes that the Dark Side will win. If he son chooses not to be a Death Eater, or even worse, to be in the order, than he believes that his son will die. I think he is forcing his son decisions for what he believes is his own good.

    I think Lucius is very much a Slytherin, he does everything for a reason and makes things work to his advantage. For instance being a Death Eater, I don't see him ever being faithful enough to admit openly to anyone that he is fighting for the dark side, he's more of a dark horse.

    Yes, I definitely agree. That even if he doesn’t believe in any cause, including Voldemort’s, that he believes in furthering himself and is betting on which side he think will win. Then, he assimilates in order not to die. It could be considered cowardly, but he does end up living so….

    On another note, I don’t believe that he is simply “misunderstood”. I think he isn’t being forced to kill people, he chooses to. I’m just saying that that doesn’t necessarily make him evil.

    5 points to Slytherin

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    Sly Severus
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    I have recently been hit by an urge to dig out an old fic that I was working on the summer, assuming I can still find it.

    But back then I got blocked trying to save Lucius. I need to save him from Azkaban after the final battle. Someone, Hermione I do believe, is going to come forward with a memory vial, which was originally hidden. This vial is supposed to contain enough evidence to get Lucius out. Sadly, I have no idea what the memory is going to be.

    So does anyone have any idea what could redeem Lucius?

    Oh and he has to be basically good. Not unrealistically good, but better than we're used to seeing him. Blackmail and bribes are not what I'm looking for here.

    Thanks in advance.

  10. #10
    Drurbane
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    Lucius Malfoy, as I see him, is a man who just wants to be cool and safe. He wants to be on the winning side. He joined the Death Eaters not out of any real love for the job, but becuase of all the bonuses involved. He obviously surmised that Lord Voldemort was going to call the shots, and jumped on the bandwagon. I believe that he doesn't enjoy the bloodshed and the cruelty, thinking them to be mindlessly tedious chores (I see him as aloof and snobbish). But they are chores that he knows he must perform to ensure his survival; if he massacres the enemies of his boss, he can ensure for himself and his family a secure future, chinwagging with the boss. And if doesn't... bye bye snake cane.

    As far as he's concerned, it's either himself or them. He chooses himself.

    He sees anybody less accomplished than him as being below consideration. That includes muggles (Who can't do magic), muggle-borns (His creed teaches that they are inherently inferior), and people like the Weasleys (Who are poorer than him.)

    As for his family: I do believe that he sincrely loves them. But he believes that in exchange for his love, his family need to give him something in return. Draco owes it to him to excel, as far as he's concerned.

    I see him as having long hair; the image of Lucus Malfoy as the fashionable pimp is far too priceless to give up.

    SUMMARY: He's not psychotic, and neither is he a sociopath. He's just a selfish, machievellien pimp who's got family values

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