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    missgiggles316
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    Muggles in St. Mungo's

    In my story, a girl needs to go to St. Mungo's because of somthing life-threatening. Her mom's a muggle, and her best friend(a muggle) was with her when the life-threatening thing happened and would want to go, too.

    Do you think that muggles would be allowed into St. Mungo's as visitors if a family member(daughter)/good friend(best friend) was in there?

    The girl who actually goes to St. Mungo's is fourteen and her dad's dead. Would it be possible her mom and best friend were allowed in if they were muggles?

    I think I just repeated myself a lot, and I'm sorry -- I just want to make it clear what I'm asking.

    ~Rachael


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    Quote Originally Posted by FullofLife
    Can Muggles see St. Mungos? Hermione's parents never visted Hogwarts because they wouldn't have been able to see it... does St. Mungos have the same or different protections?
    This is better than the original question. I never thought about that. It would help if someone answered that, please.(Seeing as I have know idea if they can or not.)

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    PadfootnPeeves
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    I'm pretty sure they'd allow the Muggles to come if they were the girl's family. They (the Healers) would probably be cautious and such, but I think they'd let them in. (I have the repeating myself-itis too, don't worry )

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    FullofLife
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    Well, I'm sure they'd allow the Muggles as they're related to the witch in question - but I think a bigger question would be: Can Muggles see St. Mungos? Hermione's parents never visted Hogwarts because they wouldn't have been able to see it... does St. Mungos have the same or different protections?

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    Ironic Inspiration
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    Let's see... You have to know to talk to the doll in the front of the building and walk thorugh the glass, remember? Now, I'm not sure if muggles can walk throught the glass or if the doll would even let them. It seems very secure for them not to be able to. Now, a good question is, does this muggle know that the girl is a witch? If that's the case, I'm sure that they could get her in, for the simple fact that they are family. IF not, then I don't see how she could. Hermione's family would have probably been able to go see her in St. Mungo's. I think it can be seen by muggles, but they don't know to see it, if that makes since. They don't know to talk to a doll... Just like if the wanted to go to the Ministry, they'd have to no to go in the telephone booth and such...I think it's the simple fact of knowing, not seeing. I think if someone knew how to get in, and it let them in, it can be seen...

    I think I just rambled off stuff. Sorry. I hope I helped a little.

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    Pheonix Tears
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    I think they probably could. As the mother knows about her daughter being a witch, then I would imagine her being able to go. As for her friend, if she didn't know she probably wouldn't be allowed due to the Statute of Secrecy.

    I don't think they would be able to see the entrance to St Mungo's unless, say, it was pointed out to them. If I remember correctly in PS, Harry saw that peoples eyes just drifted over where The Leaky Cauldron was. Thats just from my memory though, so I'm not sure if it's correct. But say that was the case with St Mungo's as well, maybe they need to have someone magical with them to point out the entrance?

    All just ideas
    Hope I helped, even just a teeny bit.

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    Striped_Candycane
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironic Inspiration
    Now, a good question is, does this muggle know that the girl is a witch? If that's the case, I'm sure that they could get her in, for the simple fact that they are family. IF not, then I don't see how she could. Hermione's family would have probably been able to go see her in St. Mungo's. [...] I think if someone knew how to get in, and it let them in, it [St. Mungo's] can be seen...
    I agree. It's all a matter of how much the Muggle knows about the wizarding world. I'm pretty sure the Ministry has to make allowances for the families of Muggleborns...after all, they can't go and arrest them for violating the secrecy policy every time they preform a simple spell in front of a sibling or parent! I think that "seeing" is also a matter of belief: if a muggle knows with perfect certainty that wizards exist and he/she is standing in front of one of their hospitals, he would at the very least be able to see it.

    It is also important to note that Hermione's parents CAN get into places like Diagon Alley, even though Harry clearly states that the Muggles didn't see the Leaky Cauldron. So I think getting a muggle into St. Mungo’s, provided they know about the Wizarding World, is perfectly plausible!

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    Lurid
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    Hey guys, good points about Hermione' mother and father.

    My input would be that the mother would probably be allowed to know it's magic, because shehas that duty of care. She can't send her child off to Hogwarts without believing she'll be in good hands, right? She has to pay for her books and such, so she's in on the big secret of it all. She'd be allowed in, and probably escorted through the visitor's entrance, or floo'd in by someone with the authority to let her in.

    I suppose the friend would only be allowed in to give her some piece of mind, but the Healers would acgtually modify her memory so she only remembered it being a normal institution, nothing magical. They wouldn't modify her memory to the point where she'd forget ever going to see her friend, but they wouldn't let her remember the floating baubles or the smoking ears on the old man in the corner.

    and her best friend(a muggle) was with her when the life-threatening thing happened and would want to go, too.
    If she actually saw what happened, I suspect her memory would be modified slightly, unless they deemed her not a risk. (has this happened before? Surely friends know about magic if you tell them.) I guess you have to decide whether it was a Breech of the Statute of Secrecy for her friend to know. If she was allowed to know about magic, she may also be lawfully allowed to remember her experience.

    Also, was this life-threatening event magical, or non-magical? I'm assuming it was magical as she's gone to Snt. Mungo's. It's really a fine line between magical injuries requiring magical hospitalisation, and Muggle injuries being so severe they require magical intervention to help.

    If you remember, Mr Weasley was ectstatic about Muggles being in Snt Mungo's in the fifth book. Source:

    Quote Originally Posted by Lexicon
    Arthur, who even in hospital on a course of Blood-Replenishing Potion still manages to work up enthusiasm for the idea of possibly meeting a few Muggle patients.
    You can find the Mungo's page HERE.

    I'd tell you exactly what part of the book it was, but I don't have it on me, and I've got the British version.

    Hope I was of help!

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    PadfootnPeeves
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironic Inspiration
    Now, I'm not sure if muggles can walk throught the glass or if the doll would even let them.
    Well, if it was a life-or-death matter, I'm sure the Ministry would let the Muggles in. They can't deny a parent the right to see their child. Any decent person would put up a fight to get in

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    Lurid
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    Quote Originally Posted by PadfootnPeeves
    Well, if it was a life-or-death matter, I'm sure the Ministry would let the Muggles in. They can't deny a parent the right to see their child. Any decent person would put up a fight to get in
    Obviously parents are allowed in - it's not like the magical community blacklists the parents as soon as the children get the letter - the kids are 11 - 17, and not actual adults. Their Muggle parents are all the guardians they have, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by FullofLife
    Hermione's parents never visted Hogwarts because they wouldn't have been able to see it...
    See, Snt Mungo's is different to Hogwarts. Most parents don't go to Hogwarts anyway - why would they go? Hermione wasn't in the Triwizard Tournament - so they didn't NEED to come. In the case of Mrs Weasley, she's magical ANYWAY, and therefore part of the community that KNOWS about the events.

    Perhaps if Mr & mrs Granger had KNOWN about the TWT they may have come - but there's no real reason for them to come anyway, so I don't know where you got that idea. Source?

    I know the Granger's can't see it as Muggles, but there's enchantments on Hogwarts similar to that of Grimmauld Place. Hermione doesn't specify that it's ALL Muggles - obviously if something happened to Hermione (or any other Muggleborn) the parents would be called to the school, or perhaps to the Ministry. They'd just be guided by someone, and they'd be able to see it. They'd be let in on the secret, and they'd be able to see it.

    So:

    Yes, they'd be able to see Snt Mungo's. If all else fails, they'd be escorted by a Ministry official (same goes to Hogwarts, MoM, Gringotts etc. Remember, the Grangers saw Diagon Alley). And if still in doubt, she'd have her memory wiped - but thaqt's unlikely as a parent.

    Obviously people will find out about witches and wizards if they're friends. So the friend may be allowed to keep the information, or they may deem her a risk and she'd be wiped.

    And, like I said before, Muggles have been to Mungo's. Those Muggles had their minds wiped because they were bitten by a teacup and sugar tongs, but Muggles can definitely go to Mungo's. See Lexicon page, and the chapter of OoTP Christmas on the Closed Ward.

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