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    CANADIAN Language and Culture Help

    Hello everyone!
    This is a thread for anyone who needs Canadian language and/or culture help. I wouldn't have bothered with this thread because a) The USA and Canada are very similar and b) Very few fics take place in Canada to begin with.
    But, the USA thread does take more focus on the south and just in case anyone needs it, my help is here! (I doubt that anyone will)

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    Oh, the Canadian thread looks so sad and lonely. I'll fix that!

    I'm working on creating schools for countries in the Western Hemisphere, and now it's Canada's turn. I know that the American population is five times that of Britians, so I took that into account and create five American magic schools. What is Canada's population in relation to Britain?

    What regions do you think magic schools would exist in. Can you give me any good and specific information about these regions that would be useful in creating a system of Canadian schools in my imagination?

    ThanX! I'll post again when I come up with more.

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    Canada has a population of about 33,390,141 , so there's not many people for the second largest country in the world.

    I think that the schools would probably be located in these places(in order of the likelyhood of them being there): The western part of Canada, Centeral Canada(Manitoba, maybe even in Ottawa itself) and then eastern Canada, or maybe the north. I'd think that if the people up in the north were to have a wizard, they wouldn't be sent to any wizard school, just to normal school.

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    There would definitely be a magical school in Quebec - however I'm fairly confident that they would make it all French - you guys have heard about their Canadian vs. French struggle, right? (Quebec wants to become a country and not be part of Canada anymore - because it's first language is French.) So there would definitely be a school there, and they would be a school that most other Canadians would think was a snobby school, because the Quebecois would think very highly of themselves. And there would probably be a school in BC, or Alberta, somewhere near the Rockies, I'm thinking, because it would be easier to hide. And then you would have a school in the Northwest Territories or the Yukon Territories, because they would most likely not attend a West Coast school because they're so far North - and the Quebecois wouldn't let them attend their school - but they probably wouldn't want to anyway. The Nunavut (spelling?) province would also attend the Northern school - I'm thinking about three schools, but mostly because things are more spread out. But, like KCharles said, there could also be one in Manitoba, or possibly Ontario, since that's where the nation's capital is - but not directly in Ottawa - that would be hard to hide. The English speaking Canadian schools would probably make sports teams and verse each other versus schools, instead of being purely within the school, because the schools would not be that big. But I see a Quebecois school working more with Beauxbatons, say, than the school in Ontario. The Maritime provinces would most likely attend a school in Ontario, otherwise they'd have to go all the way to the West Coast or up North.

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    I myself am not really Canadian, even though I do have a Canadian citizenship, but my mother grew up in Montreal (Quebec). To make things even my father's American.
    Between the two of them my father's french is better, and that's not saying much. My mother barely passed her french matriculation.
    Whether or not Quebec is French/English speaking is a big heated issue. While many speak English with a heavy, almost unintelligble french-accent, many don't speak French. It's true that French is considered the official language, or at least it was when my mother was growin up. That's why my mother never knew street signs, because they were all in French. I don't know who was more suprised when my oldest sister started learning street signs for her driving and my mother discovered that the round sign with the red circle and the number 60 meant that was the speed limit.
    Do you think there would be a lot of wizards in North America, or that most of them would perfer to stay behind in the Old World and the ratio of wizards to the population would be less?

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    Do you think there would be a lot of wizards in North America, or that most of them would perfer to stay behind in the Old World and the ratio of wizards to the population would be less?

    I believe that a wizards reasons for coming to North America would be the same for the Muggle that went: a chance for a fresh start and a new life.

    If a wizarding family were looked down upon or disgraced in some way back in Europe, they may leap at the chance to start a new life in the New World. For that reason, all the "old blood" families of Europe would more than likely not be found in the Americas. The countries there might have their own definition by what makes them regale (In America, you family coming over on the Mayflower is pretty big. I'm not sure what Canadians use).

    Also, there would also be all that wide open space to use magic in and, at the beginning at least, no government telling them what to do. This would probably attract quite a few rogue wizards as well (did I mention in America, having an ancestor who was a Wild West outlaw is something to brag about as well?).

    Anyway, here's just my imput.

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    But here are a few differences between American and Canadian vocabulary

    Napkin -> Serviette

    Rubber band -> Elastic

    Seventh Grade -> Grade Seven

    College - > University (College is generally Community College, which is trade school, or a College that is part of a University, like St Andrews College is part of University of Manitoba).

    Freshman, Junior, Sophomore, Senior -> Grade 9, Grade 10, Grade 11 and Grade 12, or (for University) First Year, Second Year etc.

    College of Agriculture -> Faculty of Agriculture (which is confusing, I know, since the Faculty is also the staff that teaches at the University)

    sofa -> chesterfield

    This may because I live not incredibly far from the US border, but...
    I'd like to note that, though Grade Seven, Grade ONe, Grade Three and such are far more common in Canada than Seventh Grade, First Grade and Third Grade, the latter is not unheard of, and as far as sofa/chesterfield goes, I would actually say that couch is the most common word, followed by sofa. Actually, the only people I've ever heard say chesterfield are my grandparents. And you do also hear rubber band up here, rubber band and elastic/elastic band are somewhat interchangeable. Napkin is also a lot more common, as far as my experience goes, than serviette. And one more I'd like to add...
    Though soda is said in Canada, pop is another word for soda up here.

    Just thought I'd mention that!
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    Also, maybe I'm wrong in this, but don't Canadians use milk bags? Instead of jugs, those bags that they put in some sort of container and somehow they don't fall out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by elanor_lupin
    Though soda is said in Canada, pop is another word for soda up here.
    The more common word in Canada is actually pop, soda is very seldom used. Also serviette is a Canadian French word, like toque - so it is commonly used, but the English <napkin> is used just as often.

    Regarding milk bags:
    Yes, Canadians do use milk bags, but milk can also be bought in cartons, or less commonly, jugs.
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    I think either characterisation of the division of Canadian wizarding government is permissible, however I strongly feel that the divisions of government would be consistent accross the continent. ie: If in a story you choose to make the wizarding government of the United States a nation, then I think it would be necessary to do the same with Canada. The two countries have always existed alongside one another, with interactive, converging and diverging histories.
    Sidenote: Didn't Rowling mention the Canadians being good at Quidditch (while Americans preferred Quodpot?) This would suggest we at least have a national team if not a national government, though you COULD write around that, sayin that teams FROM Canada are good at Quidditch.

    On this note, I do think it would be necessary to underscore special status of Quebec. Their Wizarding government might be separate from the rest of Canada, or it might not. In either case, I think it would be likely/interesting that any wizarding community would maintain close ties with other Francophone wizarding communities in the world (France and the Francophonie, as well as the other historically french speaking communities in Manitoba, New Brunswick, the Rest of Canada and even the States--Louisianna for example. Maybe under the historical umbrella of Nouvelle France.)

    I also think it would be necessary/interesting to devise a history and special structure/backstory for Native magical folk, who'd have a history that long pre-dated European discovery of the continent.

    As for differences: We (Canadians) always pride ourselves on being more progressive than our friends in the States (at least until last May). Growing up, I always learned that while the States has the "melting pot" of multiculturalism, Canada promoted the "mosaic" approach, where immigrant communities can keep as much as they want to of their culture while adapting to Canadian law.

    I honestly have never called it a sofa or a chesterfield. It's a couch.
    And milk bags are only in the east. I moved from the west to the east and that was a hilarious shock. But they have cartons in the east, too.

    And yes, thanks to (my generation) being primarily raised on American TV, we know all the jokes/bad things the Americans say about us. (Wizarding folk without TV might lack this American influence) And we have our own jokes, too... (and our own provincial stereotypes) We're rather confused, halfway between American and British systems, half metric, half imperial, officially spelling things the UK way, unofficially often forgetting this fact. And of course there's the inferiority complex...

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