Posted by Vorona:
That's a really interesting point, and I think your notes on the 'shadow' character might fit well in response to this. You could argue that the 'shadow' is not exactly the compliment of the spirit character, but rather the one who contrasts them the most out of the trio. Could you argue this? - I'm actually not sure. But it works with Harry/Draco/Snape and Gryffindor/Slytherin. Harry is the one who clashes the most with Draco and Snape, whilst I can imagine it would be Gryffindor who would stand up to Slytherin. It's an open argument, because, as I say, I'm not sure if it works.
Also, when you start doing the complimentary thing (mind compliments body), you absolutely *must* have a compliment to spirit as well. I don't think that means that partnerships have to be made around those compliments, but it feels unbalanced if you say that Ron compliments Hermione because he's body and she's mind... Then Harry -- who compliments him? Ginny may be a good partner for him, but she doesn't *compliment* him in that way, since they're both spirit.
Posted by Gmariam:
I do like the shadow idea, and I think it explains the contrast between characters in such an extreme way. If you examine what ThessalyRose posted:
They both represent those things that the other characters - or even one in particular - find most distasteful... The shadow character often shares a lot in common with the antagonist, and certainly shares a very complicated and emotional relationship with them. Look again at the contentious relationship between Snape and James or Sirius, between Harry and Draco. If we knew more about the founders, I'd guess that Slytherin was a shadow to Godric Gryffindor.
Draco, like Snape, embodies everything that Harry finds distasteful - in his pride, arrogance, love of the dark arts and the way he treats others. Draco does not respect his friends the way that Harry does. In fact, you could argue that Draco is the polar opposite in that he completely rejects his friends' help with the task given him by Voldemort, whereas Harry always (?) looks to his friends for help in the challenges that face him (even if they are unwilling to give it - as in his suspicions about Draco in HBP).
It's been said (by Snape, I think) that Harry only succeeds because he has smarter and more powerful friends. So, are his friends his strength? That would suggest love is his characteristic. His friends love him, so they rescue him... (etc.)
As Vorona said in a previous post:
- Sorry about the excessive quoting - I feel like I'm writing an essay, or something, and referencing textbooks!
To sum up, the shadow is where we throw all the stuff we hate about ourselves.
This also got me thinking about a different idea (sorry to divert the topic slightly, ThessalyRose) that all of the three Mind/Body/Spirit members need each other to survive(?). A bit of an extreme way to put it, I suppose, but the comment about Harry needing his friends made me think: Ron needs Hermione to pass his exams, and Harry to help him out/boost his morale in Quidditch. Hermione may not seem as though she needs any extra help, but we know she lacks strategy (Wizard Chess), and that she needs help from Harry to master DADA. (Feel free to argue against this, these are all just my own ideas.) I mean, you could say this about any group of friends, but I thought I'd single out how relevant it is the main trio. For the Founders, this also applies in a more obvious way - Gryffindor is the brave one, Ravenclaw the intelligent, Hufflepuff the loyal.
The shadow completely contrasts this. The shadow needs no one to help them (true? false? what do you think?). Slytherin went off and set up the Chamber of Secrets on his own because he didn't like what the other three were up to. Draco has been working on his own task by himself. Snape... well, Snape was a bit of a loner to begin with anyway, and he eventually joined the Death Eaters.
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With regard to Harry's strength, I'm not sure I would say that it was his friends - although he definitely needs them. I'd say it was more his 'Spirit' qualities - bravery, impulse, faith and the ability to follow his gut feeling. Therefore, to compliment these would probably need someone with more 'mind' qualities, to control his impulses and to question his bravery. Weirdly, that makes Hermione the compliment - as is seen in OoTP when she questions his impulse to run off and save Sirius. Ron also compliments him, in a way, as sometimes his impulses exceed Harry's, and you could argue that he has a better gift for strategy.
If pride is Harry's weakness (which is very possible), then Draco certainly embodies this (in his stubborness and arrogance - he thinks he can solve the task by himself).
Sorry about the ridiculously-long post! ;o)