Of Muggleborns and Blood

[SlytherinTears]

If a Muggleborn and a Muggle were to have children, would the children be considered Half-blood?
Sorry, I'm a bit rusty on this sort of thing...

[Weasley24]

Well technically they would be 1/4 blood and I think that some purebloods would treat them like a muggle-born. But to non-prejudiced people they would be half-blood.

[Ryan The Wizard]

I think the child would be a half-blood, because if a Muggle knows how to do magic, it means that somebody in their distant family knew magic and it must've skipped a few generations. Therefore the Muggle has some magical blood in them.

[cmwinters]

Yes, and even if their children married purebloods, and their grandchildren married purebloods, they'd be considered "halfbloods". I don't think any of them are considered "purebloods" until the fifth generation and even then, amongst a great deal of the Wizarding World (Blacks, Malfoys), they aren't given that distinction.

[SiriuslyMental]

You're only considered a Pureblood if your grandparents were all magical.

So Harry is a Half-Blood because his mother was a Muggleborn, so half of his grandparents are Muggles, but his children with Ginny are all Pureblood because Lily, James, Molly, and Arthur are all magical.

[R_Ravenclaw]

It seems like a wizard really concerned about blood status would consider the child of a muggleborn and a muggle to be a "mudblood", not a halfblood. I guess it depends on whose perspective this is from. Blood status really seems to be all relative.

[Pondering]

The children of a Muggleborn and a Muggle would have no magical grandparents. However, what could you call them? You couldn't really call them a Muggleborn, because that gives the impression that their parents were both Muggles. Mudblood, of course, is only used by those to who blood matters.

So if this person was being referred to by a person to whom blood didn't matter, they would be most likely be called a half-blood. Of course, if blood status doesn't matter to the person that is doing the labelling it is unlikely they would refer to someone by their blood status anyway.

So, to clarify I think they would be called a half-blood.

[SlytherinTears]

Ooh okay then, Half-blood it is! Thank you all! :D

[MaiaMadness]

A small addition to the discussion:

If it was Voldy and his Death Eaters doing the judging, I think the following would apply:

muggle + muggle = muggleborn
muggleborn + muggle = muggleborn
halfblood + muggle = muggleborn
halfblood + muggleborn = doubtfully halfblood
halfblood + halfblood = halfblood

BUT

pureblood + muggle = halfblood (or bloodtraitor)
pureblood + halfblood = halfblood


I'm taking this from the fact that Pureblood maniacs actually consider Muggleborns as Muggles (according to the Black family tree where it says that Andromeda married Muggle Ted Tonks)

Then again, this would be the perfect time to dig out my old post on magical genetics, but unfortunately, I'm not on my home computer, hence can't find it... :(

[apollo13]

TedTonks is a muggle, I believe, but I think you're right in saying that they believe that muggleborns are muggles - look at DH.

*SPOIELRS!*

Don't know if I still have to do that, but...

Anyways, remember they interview muggleborns and asked who they'd stolen the wand off and such?

I think you're best going with half-blood.

~Evie

[SlytherinTears]

I think you're best going with half-blood.
Yay, okay thank you so much. :D

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[MaiaMadness]

TedTonks is a muggle, I believe

Nope, he's a Muggleborn:

Tonks, Ted
Muggle-born wizard, father of Nymphadora and husband of Andromeda.

Ted's a Muggleborn.




DH Spoiler:


How else could he be on the run with Dean and the goblins in DH?


Sorry if this seemed spammy, just needed to point that out.




But, yes, for any normal purposes, outside of the oppinions of pure-blood maniacs, I would also say that the character in question is half-blood.

[SiriuslyMental]

Personally, I'd say they'd be considered Muggleborn, or, more likely, Mudblood, if the person doing the judging really was fanatical about it.

From what I get out of the books:

Muggle & Muggle = Muggleborn
Muggleborn & Muggle = Muggleborn
Muggle & Halfblood = Half-blood
Muggle & Pureblood = Half-blood
Half-blood & Muggleborn = Half-blood
Pureblood & Half-blood = Half-blood
Pureblood & Muggleborn = Half-blood

I think that, to be considered at least a Half-blood, the person needs to have at least one magical grandparent. If all of the grandparents are Muggles, there is no blood purity at all, so the character is still Muggleborn or Mudblood. If there is at least one magical grandparent the child is Half-blood. If all of the grandparents are magical the child is Pureblood. This is all what I've taken from JKR's statement that four magical grandparents make a child Pureblood.

[MaiaMadness]

This is all what I've taken from JKR's statement that four magical grandparents make a child Pureblood.


In normal cases, that's probably true, but I don't think, for instance, the Noble and Most Ancient House of Black would consider such a child pureblood.

We'd have the following family tree, for instance:

half-blood + half-blood half-blood + half-blood

half-blood + half-blood

half-blood

Fanatics would still consider the child with four half-blood grandparents half-blood. It may very well be that, for the bloodline to become pure, the half-blood in question must mary into a pureblood family and then their children would doubtfully be considered purebloods.

We're talking socially here, though, not biologically. I wish I could find that thing I wrot on magical genetics and the possibility of a magic gene...

[SiriuslyMental]

I think if all of them were Half-Blood, the child would be considered a higher form of Half-Blood. Someone that gets invited to large dinner parties, but it scorned by the rest of the group.

[R_Ravenclaw]

If all of them were half-blood, I have a feeling they would be considered a half-blood too, but a higher up form of half-blood than the child of a pureblood and a muggleborn, you know? Because at least the muggles in their background wouldn't be easily traceable.

But the child of a muggle and a muggleborn would definitely be considered a muggleborn to someone like Voldemort or the Blacks (well, the Death Eater-type Blacks, obviously).

I think the rule is, if you can look at your ancestors and say, "hey, there's a muggle!", you're pretty much screwed over in Voldy's eyes.